|...Approaching the start of the 10th Season...
October 04, 2014
It's been a long while since we last saw Supernatural in May - I'll have to say that again!
So, we're almost there now! Finally!
We have the Series Retrospective to look forward to on Monday night, October 6, but also - according to Zap2it - TNT are airing the whole of Season 9 - all 23 episodes - in a marathon Supernatural-fest on the same night at 10pm (ET / PT) up until the launch of season 10 on Tuesday night.
|...Surviving the Hellatus...
September 30, 2014
It's been a long while since we last saw Supernatural in May!
The Finale had arguably the biggest cliff-hanger since Season 5, when Sam jumped into the Pit to cage Lucifer. Some might say that Season 8 ended on a higher note with the angels falling to Earth but since Supernatural is all about the Winchesters in the end, Dean turning into a demon had a greater effect on me.
So what to do in the months until October 7?
Well, the Wiki has been more than ticking over during the Hellatus!
...We also been playing some of our old favorite games which keep the old Seasons fresh in our memories and which also give us surprising new insights into the characters and their actions - you can see these on the Forum too, under "recent" and "most active" discussions.
And our role-playing games are gaining in popularity! We've had a few games running over the summer and we have two games active now - if you'd like to join in, set up your own character and go to The Roadhouse or contact me for more information.
We've also had a couple of trivia quizzes and I'll be running them again once the new Season starts. They'll be a regular feature if people are interested in playing...
At least being active on the Wiki has helped to pass the time until the new Season begins.... And we're almost there now!
|...'Demon Dean' - Where Do We Go From Here? - Reprise
July 26, 2014So, more details continue to emerge about what will happen in Season 10, particularly with respect to Dean: what will it mean for him to be a demon and how on Earth will Sam get him back?It seems likely from everything that's been said that Dean will stay a demon for quite some time - perhaps even up to the winter break? This would follow the tradition of recent seasons, for example in Season 6 when Sam had no soul and Dean made a bargain with Death and arranged for him to rescue Sam's soul from The Cage and put it back into his brother. And it took a similar length of time for Sam to be cured by Gadreel and to eject him from Sam in Season 9. There could even be a cliff-hanger carrying us into the second half-season if we see Dean being "cured" in the mid-season finale but we don't know if it has worked or even if he will live through it since any cure must be linked to removing the Mark of Cain and of course it was the Mark's power which brought Dean back from the dead...Dean being a demon for a long time makes sense to me. It's just too rich an opportunity not to make the most of. His relationship with Sam will be shaken up and it will be fascinating to see how he interacts with his brother after he said to Sam, "I'm proud of us!" just before he died and of course we all want to see how Sam will react too. We'll also get the opportunity of seeing a different relationship with Crowley: he thinks - he hopes - he has found a partner-in-crime to "howl at the moon" with but Dean will have other ideas I'm sure... And what about Cas and his fading grace? Will Dean really not care about him? Or will he help Cas while he's a demon, or later, when he's back to normal?Jensen has said that Dean isn't possessed by a demon, his own soul is now demonic so he can't walk away from his actions afterwards.
In a strange way that gives me some comfort. Dean can't use demon possession as a reason for his behaviour. He can't say he had no choice in what the demon made him do as the demon IS him so I would hope the writers will have to restrain themselves because no-one will want to believe Dean could commit terrible acts if he retains any of his own will. Of course there are parallels with possession in that it seems like the good within Dean may be swamped by the weight of evil inside him, at least for a time, but even so it is all too close to Dean for him to be "allowed" to be evil. Will we see Dean as a "Jekyll and Hyde" character? - Possibly.
Jensen said that "Demon-Dean" will still be Dean but some of Dean's negative characteristics will be hugely magnified: he'll be a womaniser, a party animal, even an "a**hole"! Well, we can live with that, for a while. 🙂 Apparently he'll even be too much for Crowley to handle and Crowley may have to seek Sam's help to restrain him! I can only say I'm really looking forward to seeing Dean out-compete Crowley as a demon! 🙂
Interestingly, Jeremy Carver said that both Boys will go down a dark path; he implied that Sam might go down an even darker path than Dean in his search for a cure for his brother and it would be hard to say who's the bigger monster of the two! Will we then get some acknowledgement from Sam that he was wrong saying he couldn't trust Dean, that he would also do what Dean did to save him?
- I have to say, people say The Boys reconciled in the Finale but I can't see that, not really. Dean tried to at the end but Sam didn't. Yes, he admitted he'd lied to Dean when he said he was OK with Dean facing up to Metatron and he was upset when Dean was saying his final words but he still didn't apologise for all the hurt he'd caused Dean. He broke down when he realised Dean was dead and maybe then he regretted not saying anything but we just don't know - at the very least there's a lot of unfinished business on Sam's side even though Dean forgave him. Maybe this is meant to be one of the drivers for Sam doing bad things in his quest to save Dean? - Guilt is a powerful emotion and maybe Sam will finally acknowledge that his behavior towards Dean was at least partly responsible for him taking on the Mark of Cain; maybe he'll start to realise how tough it has been for Dean who's carried his own share of guilt and a lot more he doesn't deserve for so many years...
I hope the writers will balance out some of the darkness of "Demon-Dean" with glimpses of the carefree Dean of the early seasons before he was burdened with all the responsibility and guilt.
Whatever happens it promises to be a great ride! I really can't wait for the Season 10 Opener and there's still over two months to go!
|...'Supernatural - The Musical'?
July 23, 2014
It had to happen! There's a tradition for long-running, successful shows to have a musical episode and Supernatural isn't going to be any different, at least not in the concept... If not exactly a musical, it will be "musical-ish"! 🙂
The landmark 200th episode - #5 in Season 10 - has been chosen for this spectacle. Last Friday uk.eonline reported that the Showrunner, Jeremy Carver, previewed this episode at the 2014 Summer TCA Press Tour. He said, "I think it'll be one of the more amusing and engaging episodes we've done in a while. I think we can safely call this a meta episode... We're going pretty meta. I would just describe it as something of a love letter to our fans and there will be songs."
...Will we get to hear "Demon-Dean" singing with Jensen's voice this time? Will they allow us that pleasure? Or will we hear the "real Dean" as in "No Rest for the Wicked"? - I really don't mind - it promises to be so much fun although I expect there will be a lot of sadness there too.
|...'Demon Dean' - Where Do We Go From Here?
June 28, 2014
The air date for Season 10 has been announced and there's going to be a special retrospective show on October 6 marking this fantastic achievement by looking at Supernatural's last nine Seasons and maybe what it might herald for Season 10 (although I'm sure they won't really give anything away in advance of the Season Opener! 🙂
...Anyway it's made me think about Dean and what Season 10 might hold for him and Sam...
It's been rumored Dean will stay a demon for some time. While I never wanted this to happen and was shocked by him waking up with black eyes at the end of the Season 9 Finale, I have to say this makes sense to me.
If Dean were cured close to the start of Season 10 it would make everything which happened in Season 9 largely irrelevant: Dean lied to Sam and allowed Gadreel to possess Sam to save his life after The Demon Trials almost killed him but this led to the fateful fracture in Dean's and Sam's relationship after Gadreel killed Kevin; in turn this played a great part in Dean taking on the Mark of Cain, which then affected him - poisoned him really - during the second half of Season 9... Well, the impact of all those events would be greatly diminished, resulting in a huge anti-climax at the start of the Season 10 if Dean was saved so easily...
After all, Sam with no soul lasted for half of Season 6; Cas disappeared in the water and was assumed dead until well into the second half of Season 7 and Sam wasn't cured of his Lucifer hallucinations for most of Season 7 so to dismiss Dean's demonization quickly would be a mistake, no matter how painful it is, I feel. It has to be a major part of the plot for Season 10...
I guess it all hinges on how the writers treat Dean this year...
I think I favor the last one. I could see Dean's good and evil sides warring with each other. It's important the writers let us see Dean though and for the demonic part not to overtake the good. It's important we don't see Dean doing anything terrible. I don't think Dean fans will stand for it otherwise! I know I couldn't!
We saw the shocking betrayal of Dean by Sam when he sacrificed his brother to the vampire in 'Live Free or Twi-Hard' but as shocking as that was, Sam doing it seemed... possible - not probable but not beyond all likelihood? I mean Sam's always been conflicted, partly from the demon blood and maybe partly because he and Dean are metaphors, symbols for Lucifer and Michael? But even with Sam we didn't see him kill anyone although he talked about it with Dean after he got his soul back.
The same can't be said about Dean. He's always been the 'good' brother so it doesn't seem possible - or right - to me that he could be like that so I hope they don't go down that route...
Like I said, Dean has always been the 'good' one. It's often the case in dramas that there is a struggle between 'good' and 'evil' so if this is done carefully it could work. Will Sam help his brother now? Will Cas? I think Cas' relationship with Dean will survive Dean being an 'abomination' and I think Sam will try and help too, once he realises Dean is still Dean - at least, we hope Dean is still essentially there, possessing his own meatsuit.
...However this demonization is completely new so the writers could take it in several different directions. Maybe Dean's soul has been split in two? - Not physically, I mean; Death said the soul was "...not a rubber ball. It's vulnerable, impermanent, but stronger than you know. And more valuable than you can imagine." So maybe part of it has been corrupted and part of it is still human, clean? Maybe the demonization process is something which accumulates over time - who knows?
Somehow Dean will make it back, I'm sure. Maybe this might even be the mechanism by which they remove some of that crushing burden of guilt he carries round with him? - I'm always looking for the 'up' side!
...It will be interesting to see what the other plot strands will be. The issue of Cas getting his grace back must be one of them; so must opening Heaven again to souls and getting the angels' wings back. I feel there must be another major strand we don't know about yet though - maybe featuring Cain - and somehow they will all be interleaved together...
I really can't wait for the Season 10 Opener! Just over two months to go!
|Season 10 Opener Air Date Announced...
June 27, 2014
According to Hypable.com Supernatural will premiere for its Tenth Season on Tuesday, October 7 at 9pm on the CW.
Interestingly, our favourite Show will also get its own "retrospective" show on Monday, October 6 at 9pm, following the Season Premiere for The Originals. This special show will look back at the previous nine Seasons and lead up to the Premiere the next evening. I hope we're all going to watch it - support our Show!
This retrospective is thought to be a huge vote of confidence in Supernatural, one of the few network TV shows to increase its ratings in the last couple of seasons...
Hypable also say the complete Season 9 is due to be released on DVD / Blu-ray September 9... This will include a featurette exploring the mythology of the Men of Letters; tours of the Men of Letters bunker set; the 2013 Comic-Con Panel; audio commentaries of “Blade Runners,” “Mother’s Little Helper,” and “Bloodlines”; a "mockumentary" hosted by Misha Collins; deleted scenes and the gag reel. - Sounds fun!SUBMITTED BY:Spnfanforever
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|The Season 9 Finale: "Do You Believe in Miracles?" - Some Things Just Keep Getting Better...
May 25, 2014This episode broke my heart and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. Even now it still chimes in my head when I'm not expecting it. Even though there have been so many great episodes of Supernatural over the years I haven't felt quite like this in a long, long while - probably since Seasons 3 and 4. Silly, maybe to get so involved with fictional characters but that's the way Supernatural gets to you. It takes you off into this fantasy world but it's the relationships which ground it and make it what it is: essentially a life drama of epic proportions, just set in a world where monsters and demons roam - even angels now they have no wings...
This was such a well-crafted episode. Looking at the last quarter of the episode, when the shots continually changed from Dean's confrontation with Metatron to Cas in Heaven, they were selected and then cut and spliced together so beautifully. The angel tablet broke as Dean was falling to the floor, having been stabbed fatally in the chest by Metatron only moments before, emphasizing the tragedy that if only Cas had managed to find the Angel Tablet a little earlier, Metatron's powers would have been reduced to that of an ordinary angel and Dean might well have been able to kill him instead of being killed himself. It also linked Cas to Dean inextricably: Cas broke the Tablet not just to save Heaven from Metatron but also for Dean's sake.
The scene where Dean is stabbed was staggering in both its shooting and in the acting. You believed that Dean was stabbed when it happened and that was due partly to the camera but mainly down to Jensen's expressions when the angel blade entered him. He didn't talk, just expelled breath and groaned a little and that was all that was needed. He looked over at Sam and his eyes and his expression said it all - nothing else was required. Curtis Armstrong also gave a tremendous performance as Metatron but the acting plaudits have to go to Jensen Ackles for that one scene alone, but there was much more to come...
Once Metatron disappears off to Heaven to find out what is happening up there, Dean tells Sam through his obvious pain that it's better this way as the Mark of Cain is turning him into something he doesn't want to be. Jensen shows us Dean's emotions subtly, not overstated and again, it's all so real, so believable in the moment. Sam finally shows something of his feelings for Dean, which had been hidden most of the Season because of the strife between them, as he can't accept Dean is dying and insists they can find some way to save him. Sam lifts Dean up and they leave...
In the meantime, the scene switches to Heaven where Cas traps Metatron into revealing what an evil, schemer he is to all the other angels and he's finally captured...
Then it's back to Sam and Dean and Jensen gave another outstanding performance when he asks Sam to stop and let him sit down for a moment. He knows he is seconds from death and he wants to tell Sam what he means to him: he says to Sam, "I'm proud of us" and holds Sam's face with his hand, then he dies. So simply done, so wonderful. Jared Padalecki gave a great performance as Sam as he tries to wake Dean and then realises he's gone and he holds him and breaks down - too late to tell Dean now what he feels...
I've said it before but gritty realism and beautiful characterisation is a hallmark of our Show and it was in full force in this episode.
Fine performances from the penitent Gadreel (Tahmoh Penikett) and Castiel (Misha Collins) and Crowley (Mark Sheppard) also added immensely to the Finale.
The last scene, where Dean opens his eyes at Crowley's urging to reveal he's returned from death as a black-eyed demon - courtesy of the Mark of Cain - well, while it was expected from Crowley's words and the long close up on Dean's face, it was nonetheless shocking and a fitting end to the Finale...
Season 9 has taken Supernatural and us in a different direction. There was an almost complete fracture in Dean's and Sam's relationship after Sam discovered Dean had saved his life by tricking him into being possessed by Gadreel and this conflict was fateful in that it was at least partly to blame for Dean taking on the Mark of Cain in the first place. The consequences of the Mark and using the First Blade were something Dean battled against but ultimately the Mark claimed him and after he died it turned Dean into a demon, which would have been his fate if Cas hadn't intervened and saved him from Hell at the start of Season 4...
Season 10 seems set to continue along that path. Could we be looking at Fate pulling Dean back to that demonic state after The Boys stopped the Apocalypse four years ago? - I don't think so but it will be very exciting to see how they can bring Dean back to his old self. Of course Sam will be desperate to save Dean but I think Cas will be too. He saved Dean from The Pit and Dean has saved him time and again since then and their bond is strong enough to withstand Dean being an "abomination" as angels think of demons. It will be more than interesting to see how those closest to Dean treat him when they see what he's become...SUBMITTED BY:Spnfanforever
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|Supernatural: Bloodlines - "Dead in the Water"...
May 9, 2014It was announced in The Wrap, Screencrush, TV.Com - everywhere - yesterday that the CW has passed on Bloodlines. The consensus, which was shared by an earlier poll of Supernatural fans was that this is a good idea and it's a relief for many.
I have to say I'm in this corner. A good spin-off is a difficult thing to achieve. Add to that coming off the back of a show like Supernatural, which is so beloved by its fans, makes it even harder to do it justice. It has to tread a gossamer-thin line between being different and new and interesting yet still retain enough of the 'feel' of the parent show to be seen to have continuity with it and this episode as a back-door pilot just didn't do that, not for me.
The only thing this pilot for the spin-off showed it had in common with Supernatural was monsters and someone talking about getting into hunting because a loved one was killed. Not original and not in any way, shape or form done even half, a quarter as well as the Supernatural pilot almost ten years ago. Take out the Dean and Sam cameo appearance and you wouldn't have linked this to Supernatural at all!
It surprised me that this episode was written by Andrew Dabb because he's written many fine episodes for Supernatural but I guess not all new ideas can fly as high and true as Supernatural has. Maybe if they hadn't linked this to Supernatural, if they had flown it as a stand-alone show they might have got away with it and it might have had a season or two to grow and mature - certainly some of the pilots which have been commissioned into a series this year have surprised me - but it's 'crashed and burned' as it was likely to do. The Supernatural fan-base couldn't help but compare it with the original and this show lacks all the gritty realism and beautiful characterisation which is a hallmark of our Show...
I'm sad in a way for its demise before it even got started because I was going to watch it in the fall. I like the idea of a spin-off if it's good enough to stand some scrutiny with the parent series and I hoped they could have improved it into something creditable to its roots; yet in another way I'm glad it isn't going to be there as any sort of distraction to Supernatural heading into its tenth Season. If it never improved on the pilot it could even have been an embarrassment to our Show as they would be linked forever in the minds of the viewers...
Apparently another Supernatural spin-off isn't ruled out - that's good news! I hope the producers and writers realise now that Supernatural fans want to see a spin-off that is recognisably Supernatural but has its own story to tell and it has to be a good story with good characters and using some of our favourite characters from our Show like Sheriff Mills, Garth, Charlie and others could ensure some continuity as well as instant empathy with the new show. We don't need a completely new set of characters which we neither know nor care about or want to care about! If you are in any doubt about that, go and re-watch the Pilot for Supernatural and I think you'll see what I mean.
And so "Bloodlines" is now consigned to history as a strange, standalone blip in Season 9...SUBMITTED BY:Spnfanforever
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|Supernatural: Bloodlines - a Review...
April 30, 2014Well this pilot shows the spin-off is definitely light years away from Supernatural! If it wasn't for the muted presence of Jensen and Jared, who seemed to be relegated to the role of guest stars in their own Show, you wouldn't associate this with Supernatural. It seems to be closer akin to shows like Vampire Diaries or The Originals. That's probably a good thing - that it's different I mean, not that it should be like those two shows (!) - since any close comparison with Supernatural would likely leave any new show exposed to a lot of criticism from Supernatural's devoted fan-base.
However this pilot had its own shortcomings.
Maybe too many main characters were introduced last night. It's understandable why this was done - to showcase as many of the stars as possible ahead of the series starting for real in the Fall - but this allowed little time to show any proper back-story or develop the characters so it lacked depth. It might have been better to have explored it as a two-parter but it's way too late in Supernatural's season to have one of those.
Margo appeared to be almost a caricature of the glamorous b**tch except she's not a werewolf, she's a shape-shifter (it's Violet who's the real b**tch 🙂 and she looks like she could have just stepped out of Dallas! David, Margo's brother, was bland, as was his ex-girlfriend Violet. Julian, Violet's brother, wasn't in for very long so it's hard to assess his likely contribution, except he seems to be a combative sort of dog. I have to say I was also underwhelmed by the acting of the new characters generally...
The "Romeo & Juliet" aspect of forbidden love between David and Violet is likely to be a strong plot element but they'll both need to up their performances to make this interesting or even plausible. Maybe this is why the writing alluded to some form of social class among the monsters as Margo mentioned being under the heel of the werewolves? This could be an interesting source of conflict.
I'm curious as to how a novice Hunter like Ennis is supposed to not only survive but even hold his own against five families of monsters? - Unless a number of other Hunters are going to drop by every week to help him? This could be a way to introduce characters from Supernatural like Garth for example. Yes, David might become an ally, however grudging, but still this may end up as an unrealistic situation and for a fantasy show to succeed it requires the whole set-up and back-story to be believable otherwise it runs the risk of exposing the episodes as contrived at best.
I'm also concerned about the premise for the show. We've seen nests of vampires and recently a family of werewolves who were supposed to be vegetarian (most of them weren't and of course they were taken out by Dean and Sam) but the idea of a whole city being run by families of monsters without humans or Hunters knowing, well, that's a huge change in the Supernatural-verse and a big pill to swallow. We're familiar with monsters who are often transient and keep a low profile to avoid Hunter's radar. Sure these monsters don't advertise who they are but they occupy prominent positions in society and allusions were made to New York werewolves too! Is the USA and maybe even Canada supposed to be riddled with monster societies?
Well, I hope some good answers to these issues will be provided when the show airs. I hope it can deliver, not least because it's been spawned by a fantastic show, which many people think is the best-ever TV show in the fantasy genre - maybe in any genre. Spin-offs rarely equal their predecessor but I would hope a new show associated with Supernatural would at least be something we wouldn't be ashamed of.
I hope many Supernatural fans give it a chance to improve and maybe develop its own style and find a niche in the Supernatural-verse.SUBMITTED BY:Spnfanforever
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|Supernatural: Tribes Has Been Re-titled...
April 4, 2014Well, this isn't exactly "new" news but it's worth a mention now that I'm back from the USA and the Las Vegas Convention" 🙂
ScreenRant.com report that Supernatural: Tribes will now be titled Supernatural: Bloodlines.
A concise synopsis of the show, courtesy of THR, says it is a
“sweeping drama about the various mafia-esque monster families that, unknowingly to humans, run the underbelly of Chicago and are being tracked by a newly minted Hunter who’s trying to stop them and rid Chicago of anything or anyone supernatural.”
This isn't anything we didn't already know before and I have to say again, this is where the premise of the show falls down for me. What is happening to all the other Hunters out there? If this new Hunter knows the situation, why aren't there more Hunters on the show to take the monsters out? Why is it left to one new Hunter? I hope there is a convincing reason but I can't think of one...
There is some new casting news though. Melissa Roxburgh, who has appeared on Arrow and also as a guest on Supernatural, has been cast as a series regular. She will play Violet Durant. Roxburgh has appeared on The CW’s hit superhero series Arrow along with a one-episode guest spot on Supernatural and will play Violet, a member of the werewolf pack. Her relationship with David Hayden, a shape-shifter, which I reported some months ago seems to be confirmed as her backstory is:
"Violet hides her true nature because of her forbidden love for family rival David (Nathaniel Buzolic), but when cornered, her inner wolf breaks free.”
Supernatural: Bloodlines will premier through a back-door pilot in Supernatural in the episode titled "Bloodlines" on April 29th and will apparently have a full season, most likely starting in the Fall.
What do you think of what's been released about Bloodlines so far?SUBMITTED BY:Spnfanforever
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|Supernatural: Tribes - More Cast Details Released...
February 23, 2014
TVGuide.com reported casting news for two of the series regulars on the Supernatural spin-off:
Nathaniel Buzolic, who played the Original Kol on The Vampire Diaries will be playing David Hayden, a shape-shifter who has left the monster life behind to live as a human; however tragedy brings him back to his old life. He's from one of the city's five ruling monster families.
Lucien Laviscount (a relative unknown who has appeared in Skins and the CW's failed pilot The Selection) will play Ennis Roth, a police academy trainee who gets into the hunting business after his fiancée is caught in the crossfire and killed in the monster war.
This all sounds eerily familiar...
The premise of the show is that Tribes will follow Chicago's mafia-like monster families and the new hunter, Roth, who is trying to get rid of anything supernatural in the city.
Episode 20 of Supernatural, which will be a back-door pilot for Tribes and will serve to introduce these new characters is set to air April 29.
I want to give this new show a chance and we'll have to wait to see what Episode 20 brings but just now it feels that the premise sounds a little too fantastical and unrealistic, if such a thing can be said about a show based on the supernatural, because how can one hunter (and his mentor) stand against five tribes of monsters? How could that even work?
We been brought up on a Supernatural-verse where hunters tend to be solitary or at most work in twos or threes - Samuel Campbell's "family" seems to have been the exception - but they have come together on rare occasions, as in Supernatural Season 6, "Family Matters", when Samuel recruits hunters to take down the Alpha Vamp and his nest, or in Season 5, "99 Problems", when the whole town comes together to fight a plague of demons. Surely, knowing a whole city is being run by monsters, there wouldn't just be one hunter and his mentor fighting them? - If so, they wouldn't survive long! No, there would be many hunters converging on the place; it would be a war...
I will watch episode 20 of Supernatural with great interest - even more than usual, if that's possible - to see how they set out the scenario for Tribes. I want it to be good and I want it to be different from Supernatural and stand on its own merit but as a spin-off, I don't think it should subvert the "rules" so much that it feels it has betrayed its roots, nor do I want it to be the means of changing the Supernatural-verse for our Show...
What do you think of what's been released about Tribes so far?SUBMITTED BY:Spnfanforever
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|So, Will Supernatural Carry on After Season 10?
February 16, 2014
Supernatural has a fan in Mark Pedowitz, the president of the CW. He has been a long-time fan of the Winchesters and the Show so it isn't a surprise to hear that Supernatural is continuing onto Season 10. The question is, will it continue beyond that?
|Has Sam Lost His Heart, Instead of His Soul This Time?
February 09, 2014...So I thought I'd venture into the "Briar Patch" that is Dean and Sam's relationship after "The Purge" aired last Tuesday. No-one gets out of that unscathed but I was shocked, stunned and then angry at what Sam said to Dean and how hurt Dean looked at the end so I've spent some time since then thinking about it and looking back over the nine seasons to try and make sense of it all...
So, Sam feels betrayed and doesn't want to be brothers any more? He believes that Dean doesn't save him for anything other than his own selfish reasons, because he doesn't want to be alone? Not only that, he tells Dean that he, Dean, is happy to sacrifice himself as long as he's not the one being hurt by it? Finally, to top everything off, he tells Dean that if they'd swapped places, if Dean was facing death as a result of the Demon Trials, he wouldn't do the same as Dean did; he wouldn't try to save his brother.
Who'd have thought that, after the emotional outburst Sam came out with in the Season 8 Finale, when he told Dean his biggest regret was feeling he'd let Dean down? Well I wouldn't have, but now that it's been said and thinking about it, I can see Sam saying that (sort of)...
I mean Sam's always been the reluctant one, the one who's pulled away from their brotherly relationship nearly as much as he's seemed to embrace it. Sure, they've always come back together in the end but Sam is never as whole-hearted. He's looking at it logically now - the "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - whereas for Dean it's always and only an emotional response where his brother is concerned.
Sam didn't always feel like that. In Season 1 he refused to kill his Dad when he was possessed by Azazel, which led to the car crash and Dean dying, which in turn kicked off the whole business of Dean selling his soul for Sam.... Season 3: he tried to cancel Dean's deal without success... In the interlude between Seasons 3 and 4, he tried to bargain his own soul for Dean's, without success... Again...
So what's happened?
Well, to deny everyone who says Dean is the big brother who can't stop controlling Sam's life, just look at Season 5: Dean agrees to Sam accepting Lucifer possessing him and even when Sam says he's not coming back, Dean still accepts Sam's decision and agrees to go and find a new life with Lisa and Ben, even though it's killing him... Although I think Dean accepted Sam as an adult well before that, I think that moment must show everyone that he had accepted Sam as an adult, making his own decisions, but that doesn't mean he won't move Heaven and Earth to save Sam... The thing is, Sam doesn't seem to have accepted Dean's acceptance...
I see Sam as feeling guilty after letting Dean persuade him not to go through with the Trials and now he's projecting his guilt onto Dean - unfairly, since he agreed with his brother - and now Sam's in "John-mode" - "the end justifies the means" - so any sacrifice is acceptable; but this isn't a moral position and it's strange because it goes against everything they've ever believed in and it's what Sam has fought against all his life. It also contradicts what he agreed with Cas, when he was extracting Gadreel's grace from Sam. Cas said that in the old days he would have carried on extracting Gadreel's essence until Sam died but now he wouldn't because finding Gadreel wasn't worth sacrificing Sam for. You could argue that closing the Gates of Hell is much bigger and worth the sacrifice but equally, it's the same principle. Perhaps Sam is being affected by the "mark of Cain" Dean has, but that might just be making excuses for him - who knows?
...So where do we go from here?
Maybe Sam's thoughts will vanish like morning mist if Dean ends up in real trouble from the "mark of Cain"? Maybe he'll do something risky - maybe much worse than angel possession - to try and save Dean from death or worse, losing his soul? After all it's easy to make moral judgements in the abstract - or maybe not, not if you're Sam... Yet he might find he has to change his views that "the end justifies the means" because he feels he has to save Dean, even at the expense of allowing some evil to thrive...
Ultimately, the writers will decide how it's resolved, but I have grave concerns: The Brothers' dynamic is at the heart of the Show and they've already twisted it so badly out of shape. Sam saying they're not brothers and he can't trust Dean is bad enough. Dismissing everything Dean has done for him as selfish and doing more harm than good and saying he wouldn't reciprocate in saving Dean if he'd undergone the Demon Trials goes far beyond what's ever happened before.
Season 8 was never resolved satisfactorily for me, either in Sam's behavior after Dean went to Purgatory or the way they came back together. Season 9 shows an even more fractured relationship - much worse than in Season 4 when at least there was an explanation for the conflict as Sam was drinking demon blood. If The Boys aren't brought back together then it won't be Supernatural any more but that isn't the only issue. Fixing their relationship also has to be convincing, otherwise the conflict will just look manufactured and right now Sam making a realistic 180 degree turn looks difficult to achieve.
I'm still trusting the writers. I just hope they can come through with this for all the fans...SUBMITTED BY:Spnfanforever
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|Supernatural: Tribes Cast Details Released...
February 03, 2014
Hypable.com released details of the main characters in the Supernatural spin-off, Supernatural: Tribes yesterday. The show is set in Chicago and it will focus on five monster tribes and a hunter looking for revenge.
|Supernatural Viewing Figures Up!
February 01, 2014Entertainment Weekly posted that Supernatural had its most-watched episode in four years this week. Despite being in its ninth season, Supernatural had 2.8 million viewers Tuesday night for "Sharp Teeth" - its biggest audience since 2010 and tied its season high among the 18-49 age group.
Supernatural did face the State of the Union Address on CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox at 9 p.m. so it was almost certainly helped by the fact it was the only entertainment program broadcast during its hour but still, its viewing figures are up. Earlier this month, The CW’s president told reporters about Supernatural, “As long as I’m here and those numbers still hold, god bless them, they can go as long as they want.”SUBMITTED BY:Spnfanforever
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|Supernatural Spin-off Title Released!
January 31, 2014TVline reported this week that the new show will be called "Supernatural: Tribes". It will air as a regular episode of Supernatural in the spring and will explore the clashing hunter and monster cultures of Chicago.
The spin-off was due to air as a pilot in Supernatural Season 9 episode 20. I assume this is still the case?
I love it that Supernatural rolls across America, which helps to give it that feel of a modern-day western. It won't - it can't - be the same when it is set in a city but that might be a good thing, giving it some separation, some breathing space from Supernatural so it doesn't become a pale imitation of our favorite show, don't you think?
Still, it's part of the whole Supernatural scene so of course I will watch it and then decide if it stands up against the original - talk about having high expectations!SUBMITTED BY:Spnfanforever
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|Supernatural and Its Fans Featured on NPR
January 20, 2014
National Public Radio (NPR) recently aired a story about our favorite show - and about US, its fans! You can follow this link to take a listen: All Things Considered - Supernatural Fandom
|Results from the People's Choice Awards 2014!
January 09, 2014I hope everyone enjoyed a great New Year!
Well, the results for the People's Choice Awards 2014 are in and we did win something - "Favorite TV Bromance" for Dean, Sam and Castiel - so, many congratulations!!
... But we didn't win "Favorite SciFi/Fantasy TV Show" - that went to "Beauty and the Beast" - nor did we win in the "Favorite SciFi/Fantasy TV Actor" category, which went to Ian Somerhalder.
What have we fans been doing in the voting? - We should at least have won "FavoriteSciFi/Fantasy TV Show" even if the vote was split between Our Boys in the acting category!
What a shame....
- But I'm sure we wish Our Boys and Our Show all the very best!
Congratulations again!SUBMITTED BY:Spnfanforever
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|Cknigge||Supernatural season 11||15||Jul 15 2015, 7:23 PM EDT by PigNaPoke|
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Hello everybody. I am new to this site. I have been a fan from season 1. Thank God my daughter bought ne seasons 1-9 for Xmas or I would be going thru Sam and Dean depression. I just wanted to see if anybody else out there is looking forward to season 11 as much as I am. Anybody got an inside scoop as to what to expect? I'm ready to see Crowley's mom gone and Bobby back!