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I remember liking this one, and I still do!!
I’ve always liked Amy Acker, from her days on “Angel”. I loved her in this episode. She plays sweet country girl so well!
I liked the ghost story, but was hoping they’d tell us more about why Lucas was having death visions. They implied that sometimes traumatized people/children can become more sensitive to psychic energy, but every time I watch this episode, I find myself wanting more of an explanation. Did the visions go away when he started speaking again? Was the ghost speaking through Lucas via his drawings, sort of using Lucas as a conduit? If so, the ghost was TELLING Lucas who was going to die next, which is a terrible idea if revenge murders are your plan.
I also thought they made interesting use of the idea that losing a child is worse than death. They said it twice. I get that the ghost was punishing the people who’d murdered him by killing their children first (since that’s a punishment worse than death) before killing them. Sam said as much. But does anyone else think that’s a pretty mature approach for a child ghost to take? And how does a dead child know what his mother is going through? I liked that they made the point, but I guess I wanted more connection.
This one was nicely paced and had nice tension. I agree with you, JBB! I’m glad Dean couldn’t leave because he knew Lucas was afraid and had been trying to tell him something.
I thought it was really cute that Dean blushed a little and got a bit flustered after the kiss at the end. We don’t get too many “Aww shucks” moments from Dean Winchester. This one was sweet.
We’re flying next week, right?
“BTW, that was the easiest-to-unearth bicycle in history! If it had been buried for that many decades, it would have been much more difficult.”
Good point. I’m guessing that these were kids who didn’t have any tools, so they dug a shallow grave with their bare hands, or maybe using twigs/branches. I guess it would’ve been hard to dig anything substantial with no tools.
Speaking of fun glitches, did you notice the sink stopper when Will Carlton is drowning in the sink? Just a few bad edits, but the sink stopper goes from being in the sink to on the side (before Will puts it there) and then back into the sink before he puts it on the side. It’s just a cute little glitch š
“This one shows yet another sweet side of Dean (I sure remembered him being more of a cocky jerk in season 1 ā no wonder I fell in love with him so hard ā heās not a jerk at all!). He canāt leave the situation alone even when the sheriff threatens him and Sam with arrest. He has to turn around and go back to check on Lucas (just in time for Sam to save Lucasā mom from death in the tub!). Even if Dean doesnāt love kids, he remembers what it was like to be one; to be scared; and he canāt let poor Lucas suffer. Funny that compassionate Sam is the one ready to take off in this case (as he really wants to find John).”
That’s very interesting! I never saw Dean as the cocky one — quite the opposite. To me, Dean’s external bravado was a cover. Even as a small child, he was never allowed to be afraid. He always had to be brave for Sam and obedient to John. So, if you slap that on top of a big, fat dose of low self esteem, it’s clear that Dean isn’t self-assured at all. Yes, he’s a hit with the ladies, and he has confidence in some of his hunting skills, but at the end of the day, he’s the guy who never shows fear or insecurity because it’s simply not allowed.
In contrast, Sam came across as the cocky one to me. He likes talking about how smart and well-educated he is, how he doesn’t want to follow anybody else’s rules, and how — at 22 years old — he wants to take charge of his own life. That sounds like cockiness and arrogance to me. Yes, Sam is socially awkward around women, but that’s not because of humility.
I thought it was sweet that Dean connected so well with Lucas. Dean clearly remembered watching his mother die violently, so I’m sure he immediately understood what Lucas was going through. I remember (years ago) reading an excerpt from John Winchester’s journal. It talked about how, right after Mary’s death, Dean didn’t talk for months. He also refused to sleep unless he was in Sam’s crib with him, because even back then he was laser-focused on keeping his little brother safe. I don’t even have words for such mature devotion in such a young child.
As you said, JBB – of COURSE we fell in love with Dean Winchester. How could we not?
I’ve always thought Wendigo was a fun, early-season episode.
I liked the monster! I even thought the way they filmed it was creative — not showing us enough of the monster for us to really see that it was a skinny guy in a rubber suit. Later, I was reminded of how DIRECTOR Jensen chose to not really show us the llamia in “Weekend at Bobby’s”. We only ever saw the shadow, but we got the gist of the monster. A similar technique was used in “Shadow”, when we only saw the demon’s shadow move across the wall. It’s a nice, low-budget way to NOT show us too much of the monster, which helps make it scarier.
Right away, I appreciated how Dean understood the relevance of John’s leaving his journal behind. Dean has always been quick on the uptake, and this was no exception. That scene when he reminds Sam of their mission is a classic.
I’ve never been camping, but I don’t like bugs or the idea of peeing in the woods and wiping my hoo-hah with leaves. So, I’m gonna leave camping to the experts. I’m a day-hiker and I’m okay with that š
I’m amused (more now than I was years ago) that the Winchesters got away with posing as feds, rangers, etc. when they were really young. I mean come on! Jared still had pimples š
I’d love to know if the interior of the abandoned mine was a set, or an actual mine. It looked VERY believable!! I immediately got an appreciation for the darkness, dampness, and claustrophobic tightness of that space. If it was a set that they built from scratch, Bravo!
I think my favorite scene is when Donnely Rhodes (who plays the guy who survived being attacked as a kid) is telling the brothers what happened to him. To me, that scene is CLASSIC Supernatural at its best. If I scared easily, that scene would’ve scared me. It’s not easy to do, but sometimes describing a horrific thing is scarier than actually seeing/hearing the thing, because our imaginations are good at filling in the gaps. This scene worked very well for me in that way.
On to Lake Manitoc š
“Peanut M&Mās are gross. Iād be dead, unable to leave a trail.”
LOL!!! Hubby LOVES Peanut M&Ms. They’re only allowed in the house in small bags, because he eats them all right away š They’re okay with me. I prefer Cadbury chocolate anyway.
I love that Dean was creative and resourceful enough to leave that trail; even though, as you said, he was likely injured and being dragged through the woods and up into trees by a Wendigo. That’s our hero!
“I am trying hard to watch the episodes this time around with the intent NOT to let āGodās planā or āGodās writingā color my view.
I want to watch it discovering things I might have overlooked in the past. I want to watch the Winchesters grow and change and have their horizons expand.
I do not believe that all that was GODās doing!! I will stick with that opinion through out. God might have set the general outline and scenarios, God might have played the long story arc of getting the Winchester brothers born and put on the playing field for the apocalypse. He might have put road blocks in place that forced the brothersā hand BUT I truly believe that their actual actions, their growth and their gained experience is THEIR OWN.
In my opinion they influenced their story as much if not more than God ever did.
PNP”
I agree! I think that whole evil-manipulative-Chuck story line was a last-minute construct for seasons 14 and 15, because the writers needed tools to turn Chuck into a villain. I refuse to let my rewatch be tainted by such a silly and weak plot device. Just “no”.
“I know it appeared that he and his family lived in a totally different house (obviously not the bunker), but Samās son was also obviously a hunter with the anti-possession tattoo OR at least Sam had to tell him enough about hunting to understand why he had to get that tattoo. I took that as his son being SOME kind of hunter or at least knowledgeable. In my mind, the bunker became a resource. In my mind, it wasnāt that Sam never went back, itās that he could not live there without Dean.”
I watched that montage a few more times, and I didn’t see any evidence that little Dean was a hunter. Yes, he had an anti-possession tattoo, but that just says to me that Sam wanted to protect him. Mrs. Tran and Chuck Shurley’s book publisher both have tattoos, and they weren’t hunters.
If little Dean was a hunter, it would’ve been really easy to show us that. I looked closely at the books that were on the table when Sam was helping little Dean with his homework. One of the books had an American flag on the cover, so I’m guessing it was a history book. They could’ve easily made that an old-looking lore book, or John’s journal, or (gulp) the Book of the Damned — anything to show that it was about the supernatural. But they didn’t. The Impala stayed in the garage under a dusty tarp. Her trunk was FULL of weapons and warded against demons. It would’ve made sense to show Sam with his son in the car or at least looking into the trunk to make sure the kid knew what was in there. They didn’t show us any of that.
I don’t think little Dean was a hunter. I agree that Sam left the bunker because living there was too painful. But I don’t see any evidence that he did anything related to hunting (after that last case for Donna’s colleague, of course). I think he walked away and kept his son out of the life, too.
Considering hunting killed Dean, I can understand Sam wanting to keep his son out of the life. I completely forgive Sam if that was his choice. However, walking away from all his knowledge, abandoning the wealth of artifacts and lore in the bunker, not passing John’s journal onto another hunter — all of that seems like an unforgivable waste to me.
kate
“The thought crossed my mindā¦though Sam and Dean are human, were they trying to say that they only STAYED alive through all those earlier extraordinary circumstances because God made sure they did? Without God (even an evil God), they are now extra-human and can die in a regular fight in spite of their skills? I have to admit I DID want Dean to be more superhero, but thatās not what Supernatural has tried to convey over the years.”
Hey, JBB š
This is exactly what I think! They wanted Chuck out of their lives, but this was a case of “be careful what you wish for.” They don’t have “bad” luck, like before the pool hall episode. But they also don’t have plot armor or heroes luck. They are cosmically naked. So yes — without those literary protections, you get a mundane, blue collar death like getting impaled on a giant nail.kate
“I have to say the āLONG ROAD HOMEā episode was not very impressive!! It was nice, but it felt like a bonus extra on the season bluray. There wasnāt really anything new to be gained from it.
I fully expected some behind the scenes of the last season footage or maybe some āwhat are they doing nowā thing.
But again, it was nice.
PNP”
I agree, PNP!!!!
The retrospective felt “nice”, but I didn’t learn anything and there was nothing unexpected. And you’re right that it felt like something that will be on the DVD. It probably will.
I would’ve LOVED more behind-the-scenes footage like they crunched in at the end. THAT would’ve been fun! Boy, could I use the season gag reel today škate
“For Godās sake, everyone, if you have a piece of sharp rebar sticking out of a post at chest or waist level, go take that shit down today!”
LOL!!! You crack me up, JBB! I think we all needed that guffaw today š Thanks!!
kate
“If SAM had died, Dean would been undone or suicidal, I think. He would have become, I think, harder or more self-destructive.”
Hmmm…
I’m curious to hear what everyone else thinks, but I think that if Sam had died, Dean would’ve kept hunting. Dean has always been more committed to the “family business” than Sam has. Dean’s never willingly walked away from that commitment to save people. I think Dean would’ve considered it an obligation to John, Sam, and everyone else who has supported them along the way to keep hunting.In contrast, Sam has spent most of his life running from that responsibility. He seemed to turn around by season 10, when he told Charlie that hunting is his life and he loves it, but he doesn’t want to do it without his brother.
Interestingly, while Dean was dying this time, he had plenty of time to tell Sam to find a nice girl and settle down, but he didn’t. He told Sam to “always keep fighting”. That could’ve been interpreted as Dean asking Sam to keep hunting, or simply to keep “living”. I guess that debate will go on forever, like so many others.
kate
“I understood the restoration of humanity Jack-God performed last week to have all vanished people reappear. Therefore I would assume that Donna, Jodi, the girls, AU hunters, AU Charlie, AU Bobby (and the Doppelgangers) are all still in the world. Many of them know about the bunker. And I can believe that Sam would place a key with Donna or Jodi or maybe AU Bobby.
I didnāt understand as Sam walking away from the bunker forever. To me he definitely moved out, it being too painful to be there alone, but I would assume he would come back for the resources when needed. And I would have expected him to show his son.
I understand Samās son to be the main legacy now.”
But that’s just it, PNP. We didn’t actually see any of this. And it would’ve been very easy to add to the montage if the writers wanted us to know these things happened.
When Dean was preparing to say yes to Michael in “Point of No Return”, he put all his personal items (leather jacket, etc.) in a box addressed to Bobby Singer. In the final montage for “Carry On”, they could have shown Sam packing the bunker’s key into a box and preparing to mail it to Jody or Donna. THAT would have shown us that he was leaving the bunker and all its contents to other hunters. When Sam left with the dog, he took a long look around, like he was saying goodbye forever. And we saw all those shots of Sam with his son, but there’s no indication to me that little Dean became a hunter. He had an anti-possession tattoo, but that just means Sam wanted to protect him. That doesn’t say to me that he was a hunter. It also would’ve been VERY easy to show a clip of Sam showing his son around the bunker. The absence of something that easy makes me believe that little Dean had a “normal” life and had nothing to do with hunting.
By the way, I’m VERY glad they didn’t destroy the bunker at the end. That would’ve made this episode suck even more than it did.
“Hey Kate,
what made it seem hollow and unhappy to you?”Hey, PNP š
We only saw Sam smile a few times in that whole montage. He smiled in the beginning when he picked up toddler Dean, and he may have smiled a little when he was playing ball in the yard with young Dean. Other than that, it looked to me like he was just going through the motions of being a good father.When he was in the Impala, he looked like he was getting ready to cry or perhaps kill himself. At least that’s how it looked to me.
Sorry, but I don’t think that lady in the background was Eileen. The hair color looked too light.
I guess we all had a different take on that last montage.
kate
“…But am emotionally very not okay with Dean dying young after ALL heās given, though my wife said it had to be that way because Dean would want Sam to go on and have a chance ā but he did not even die FOR Sam. I have a problem that he died pretty much by accident.”
Agreed. Dean only had a brief time to live life without Chuck’s influence. And at first, it looked like he was getting bored with his life. I wanted him to have more time to live his life. And it infuriates me that his death was, as you said, an accident.
Dean deserved a better death. And Sam deserved a better life.
kate
Hi, Shannon —
All you said is very true.
I hate that Dean died so much earlier than Sam, and that he was killed by stunt vamp #3. Dean Winchester deserved a better, more majestic death if that’s what they were going for.
I hate that Sam spent MOST OF HIS LIFE (at least his final 40 years) going through the motions of “living” and pretending to have a normal family, but never really having true happiness. In that scene when Sam is sitting in the car, I thought he was going to kill himself. He clearly never stopped being miserable and pining for his brother.
As you said, the Sam from earlier seasons wanted a “normal life”, and ran away from hunting every chance he got. But by season 12, Sam was saying that hunting was his life and he loved it. Apparently NOT! He went on one hunt and then abandoned it? This finale erased all that character growth.
I hate that the Winchester brothers didn’t leave a palpable legacy. Their initials are carved into a table
in a room that nobody will ever see. All their knowledge, their journal, John’s journal — all that information died with Dean, since Sam walked away and didn’t do anything with it. What a waste. There was no indication that Sam ever even told his wife and son who he truly was. He didn’t pass his legacy on to anybody. What a waste of everything he’d learned over his years of hunting!kate