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I wonder if we WILL loose the bunker after all…..if Jack’s implosion cannot be stopped I can see him staying behind while the others flee up top…..
I would HAAAAAATE THAT!!!!!
I really want the bunker to remain as a reminder of the Winchesters legacy and the promise it holds for all future generations of hunters and possible MOLs.
But then maybe someone or something can teleport Jack out of there….
Because it was SO out of character for Dean, I know think more and more that it WAS Chuck’s writing to the point where SAM convinced Dean that this is wrong and that he had to listen to Sam and put the gun down.
I can totally accept that as an interesting plot point, but I just wish that was made more clear in the last scene, maybe with Dean apologizing or looking stunned at his own action….
HOWEVER, we may still get that next week as we were left with a cliff hanger.
I really did enjoy this one despite the mess and confusion. I want to believe that was intentional.
PNP
INTENSE is the word of the week for me! PHEW!!
Overall I liked it it a lot, BUT I also have a few major hang ups.
I go character by character to sort my head space out:
JACK – I appreciate how he has accepted his “role” the way he understands it showing some real growth with this. Even though I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop on Billie (and BOY DID IT!!!) Jack acted in a selfless manner here and simply was ready to take one for the team who has protected and nurtured him for much of his short life. I also felt touched by the scene between Dean and Jack where Dean thanked him for doing what it was planning to do to save the world and give him and Sam a chance at a “life”.
DEAN – here lie my MAJOR issues. I understand and can believe that Dean is so freaking TIRED of the dance and overwhelmed by the thought that he can’t escape the hamster wheel. BUT…BUT…BUT!!!! HE WOULD NEVER PULL A GUN ON SAM AND COCK IT!!!! NEVER!!! That was so out of character it bothered the living daylights out of me!!!!!! Especially after he says to Jack that he is looking forward to a life with Sam AFTER. Really? From that he goes to ready to shoot his brother in order to kill God? OR was THAT part still God’s writing? God’s plan? IF that was it then I needed a break in Dean some indication that he had no control over his action at that moment.
I do appreciate Dean being ready to do the hard thing and accompany Jack on his last mission. Dean never shied away from the hard decisions.
And, of course, Jensen was PERFECT at acting it all out.SAM – BIG kudos to Jared for this episode!!!! He did amazing and I was riveted to ALL of it! His anger, his frustration, his tenacity, his quick wit in lying to The Empty, his heartbreak and the way he convinced his brother not to shoot him…all very well done! Sam’s arc was great, too. LOVE that he figured it out regarding the Empty and Billie’s plan!! Our smart Sam! Loved how he stayed behind to research, but ultimately HE was more important to the plot advancement than even Dean here.
CAS – yeah, he was there, too. I didn’t get much from him in this. He was supportive of Sam and a nice scene partner. I would have liked him to get involved a little to convince Dean NOT to kill his brother!
AMARA – loved that she made a real turn. Her essence must have changed, too, as she can hold a flower now without killing it. I really enjoyed the scenes with Chuck and how Amara took it on herself to try and convince her brother to let this world live, to show him what wonderful thing he created. I am a little surprised that she simply believed Chuck later when he said the Winchesters lied, but the story was PACKED and had to move along so I can forgive that.
CHUCK – oh, Chuck….you petulant child! Very well played by Rob!! I love that he got thwarted AGAIN by the Winchesters in the end when they did NOT behave the way he planned. I also really enjoyed how that last bit was cutting back and forth between the drama in the hallway between the brothers and Chuck and Amara. It kept me on the edge of my seat.
Issue I had with their interaction:
Are we to believe that Amara willingly “joined” Chuck? Or that he absorbed her against her will?? And if the latter is true….why did he need 4 archangels to contain her last time?? And if she is part of him now….can she inact some of HER will?
I did like the special effect of Chuck with one blue and one black eye!THE EMPTY – she/ he/ it is a little too naive for me, but at least it’s consistent. It JUST wants to go back to sleep. OK, we get it. I also appreciate it that they let us know that she can’t go to earth unless summoned. Loved to see Rachel.
BILLIE – WOW….well, there you have it. DEATH is the villain?! Interesting twist and a real conundrum and a good adversary…..BUT…BUT…BUT….are we to believe that this was ALWAYS Death’s plan? Adam said that he was kept alive (I think he said by Billie??) to take his revenge on God???? But 30,000 years ago that would have been the original Death, no? Or did Billie the REAPER make these plans all along? I can’t believe that as it was said only Death can read God’s book. I have an issue with that, but I am willing to wait for more explanation.
So, now what?? If Death wants a reset, which means ALL who were dead are dead again…..BOTH Winchesters would drop dead immediately, right? And Death said they have to reap God….but do we still want that now? And if Death has the power to RESET everything and God wants that, too, are they both on the SAME side now? And is Amara simply gone now? Or can she “pop” back out and claim a will? WHAT A MESS – but an interesting one.
Other things I really liked:
– ADAM being a hippie. HA, funny.
– Adam’s rib being super powerful as an spell ingredient or artifact was a good idea
– Sam and Cas digging through the bunker’s treasures. I have to watch again but I’m sure there were a few easter eggs in that. Was that the grail?Definitely need a rewatch of this one….WOW
Ok, PISSED OFF!!
I wrote a whole reply and it disappeared!
I’ll rewrite it tomorrow.Ugh.
Basically I loved it and agree with much of JBB’s. Including that I found it very true to character for young Dean to be worried about Sam leaving him for college and snapping at him for even considering it! And then he kinda sweetly tried to get back in Sam’s good graces by telling him what a good team they made.
Kate38, regarding your point:
“Billie said that Jack agreed to the suicide plan because he wanted Dean’s forgiveness for killing Mary, and he thinks sacrificing himself is the only way Dean will forgive him. But Jack made the deal with Billie when he was still in the Empty and didn’t have his soul. He didn’t feel remorse for murdering Mary, and even blamed Mary herself for what happened. It doesn’t make sense to me that he’d make that deal with Billie so Dean would forgive him, because at the time he made the deal, he wouldn’t have cared.”
I understood that as something Billie said to Dean to get DEAN on board as she knows well that Dean understands and respects selfsacrifice!!! After all Dean killed himself to attract her attention and bargain for Sam’s live with his own.
I don’t necessarily think Jack actually said that !And regarding “After School Special”. I always thought THAT was a somewhat Dean critical and negative episode. Yes, Dean was protective of Sam and offered to set the people straight who had beaten up Sam BUT didn’t he do that when he was feeling a bit down and slighted by his own class after the two girls he fooled around with called him out on double dipping!! To me that moment of offered help always read more to me as an attempt for Dean to set his own record as tough guy right with the school. So to me that really wasn’t a stellar young Dean moment!
SPN Christmas young Dean, while also rough at a couple of spots, was wonderful trying to create a cool Christmas for his little brother.PNP
Hey kate38,
Didn’t you hear Mussorgsky’s Pictures of an Exhibition in your head!? I love the Baba Yaga bit of that!
Pnp
Oooohhh, yesssss!!!
What GREAT episode!! I was really enjoying everything about it!!!
Scary monster (glad they finally used the Baba Yaga!!), creepy children, good effects, great motel rooms and locations. A real throw back to “old style” episodes.
I always loved the flash back episodes and I was a little apprehensive to have one so late in the game and with new young actors, but my worry was unnecessary. The young actors, especially young Dean, were very well chosen and did an excellent job.
I appreciated the look into the relationship between young Dean and Sam. Dean’s discovery that Sam was interested in college and his immediate dismissal of the possibility was classic Dean as was the end where he kinda apologized in a roundabout way by praising Sam by saying they were a good team. Basically asking Sam not to leave.
Poor Dean starting early with keeping secrets to protect other from nightmares that then plague him for a long time. Hard to watch but also very Dean.
The theme of “lies don’t ever pay off” was loud and clear and not new, but well executed and led to a great scene at the end!
I actually LOVED that Sam blew up and snapped at Dean!!! Of course, I don’t want them to fight, but it is high freaking time that Dean takes Sam’s ability to deal seriously and doesn’t make decisions above his head. Saying that he did it because he knew Sam couldn’t handle it is pretty insulting to a person who has been steadfast by your side for this whole season!! There is no reason to think that they can’t at least have a discussion about it. Then tension between them at the very end and the disappointment from Sam at being pushed aside was palpable and acted to perfection !
They also BOTH should have a talk with Jack about it. He has the right to have an opinion and sacrifice himself of he chooses to. That is not the Winchesters’ decision. They can try to talk him out of it. They can try to find and offer him another option. But they shouldn’t just decide for him.
Despite the high emotion end to it I very much loved it.
Loved the bit about how the separation of Chuck and Amara caused the big bang!
I am thinking that IF Amara is truly on board with helping to stop Chuck my other theory might become true and Amara becomes the new “light” or GOD and Chuck will be the “darkness” and possibly gets locked away with help from Michael.
That would reverse their roles, create new balance, not kill Chuck and leave a woman in charge. Actually TWO women if you consider Rowena as Queen of Hell.
I would really be ok with that!!
PNP
WOW, fellow fans! In Kevin Tran’s words: “WHAT IS HAPPENING????”
I was thoroughly bored with this one!!!!
Fine direction by Matt Cohen, I give you that! Liked the locations, the lighting, the camera angles. Couldn’t get into “the case” at all.
I thought the girl was the “monster” as soon as we found out that the pastor was her dad and that he had changed the MO of the “faith based community”. And I didn’t care.
If you go “Seven” on this one, how was Connor a liar? How did that slip of a girl overpower the LUST guy and truss him up like that? And I found it unrealistic to have her overpower her father, too.The cross road demon thing was lame. Why would a cross roads demon know if any given crime in town was demon based? And why would Cas think that any random Cross Roads Demon wouldn’t lie? They didn’t even have him trapped. Just called him up for info?
I did find the demon’s info funny about how Rowena doesn’t believe in deals.
The whole case seemed forced and totally unnecessary to me. Was the WHOLE point for Jack to feel bad in the prayer circle so he tells Cas later that he’s the bomb? It wasn’t compelling to me. Partially because the monster was a human and partially because her MO was nothing new – like Kate38 said “a mix of Seven and Saw”.
And did I see that right at the end that the Cross Roads Demon posed as Police and took the girl away?! So are we supposed to believe that Cas called him in for help? And why not turn her over to the authorities? She did murder at least two people.
I also wasn’t really surprised about the new info that Jack is supposed to sacrifice himself to kill Chuck and Amara. I am happy that we have that confirmed now and I’m happy that Jack seems to think that is a worthy way to go.
Now I am GREATLY concerned that Cas is going to continue his record of questionable choices of action and of not telling Sam and Dean what’s he’s up to that will result in his demise…….
The ONLY captivating thing to me in this episodes were the scenes with Emily and the boys and ESPECIALLY the scene when Dean goes back in to ask Amara about Mary. That was BRILLIANT!!! Acting and writing!!! Great chemistry with Emily and Jensen. I really enjoyed Amara’s reasoning and Dean’s responses. It felt authentic and very in character. Loved that bit.
Unfortunately that was only about 15 out of 42 minutes……
Oh well.
This one was a 4 out of 10 for me.
PNP
Hey kate38,
I’m pretty sure we are to believe that Sam and Eileen were dancing the horizontal tango, yes!
After the Sam and Dean phone conversation how it had been awhile for Sam….PNP
Hahaha, I love when we all have different opinions!
The Holiday Montage SHOULD have been a little more in-depth, yes. It would have been nice to have Mr. Butters ASK the boys what they WANT to celebrate. And I would have liked a couple of sentences about each.
The hunting montage I found HILARIOUS because each started with a kicked in door and the entrance became more and more impressive. Also as a big fan of the movie “Cabin in the Woods” I LOVED Dean’s quote on how easy it was “BING….Vampires” hahaha
I thought Mrs. Butters’ dedication to an abusive relationship with the old bunch of Men of Letters was very 50’s housewife and therefore read as realistic to me. Yes, she was a powerful being but also a caretaker by nature so I guess they had a fairly easy time to “reprogram” her after the Thule already experimented on her? It was probably the better of two evils for her to be appreciated and told she was an important part in an operation to save the world versus being a captive and tortured by Nazi necromancers. So I can understand her fervor in wanting to protect the bunker and “her boys”.
I can forgive the cringy Sam-Eileen date thing, but I found it illogical that if Eileen is “in town” that she wouldn’t stay at the bunker….so from that angle I wish they would have sent Sam out on some other errand. And I think Eileen would have beaten Sam over he head with the cheesy red roses!!!!! But that’s just me.
I also appreciate how Sam immediately caught on to how to best handle Mrs. Butters’ after he returned. Smart instinct to play along even if it didn’t end up as planned.
I was VERY WORRIED for the bunker there for a hot minute when Mrs. Butters made the instruments go crazy and the pipes steam.
I hope the Winchesters don’t have to move out of the bunker now because it’s fallling apart!!! I still want the bunker to be there, waiting for the next set of hunters, if our bunch won’t be able to stay there permanently….after the end.
PNP
Whoohoo, we’re BAAAACK!!! One more time!!! NEW EPISODES!!!! It’s like Christmas and Thanksgiving and Birthday all put together…..oh, wait…..this episode was, too!
But seriously. I am super happy and super sad all at once, too. DREADING the end!!!! But excited about what we are getting to see along this last ride on the dead end road.
AND JBB – The site looks AMAZING! Great job giving the old girl one more lease on life. I know it was a challenging job and it’s very much appreciated that you took that on.
Regarding the episode:
I THOROUGHLY enjoyed it!!! (Sorry, kate38)
The idea that the bunker could be so much more was brilliant! Cool little teaser and great sneak peek into the special features like monster radar and an inter-dimensional whatever-ma-jig!!! That could’ve come in handy dealing with the different worlds!! Knowing the MoL of old were mostly chauvinistic pansies I fully expected a spa or hot tub, but ok. Also very fitting for the MO of the old school Men of Letters that they obviously didn’t have any issue of powering up their secret fortress by brainwashing and enslaving of a more powerful being and using her mothering nature to their advantage. NOT COOL DUDES!
I loved Mrs. Butters and the actress who played her.
I’m glad Sam at least was skeptical at first and it all seemed to good to be true, but I then completely loved how both Sam and Dean totally let themselves fall into the provided care and support. Like suddenly having a Grandma run your household. Especially for Dean who’s so food motivated this must have been a DREAM.
I didn’t mind that we got to see them happy and silly for a good while.
Personally I wasn’t crazy that Christmas was part of the mix as the ONE Christmas we’ve ever seen them have is SACRED to me (as sad as it was), but ok, of course Mrs. B would do Christmas for them. (I could’ve done without the silly night gown! I don’t see Dean going that far unless in cartoon form!)
OF COURSE something like this had to be too good to be true! But I love that they found a way NOT to kill her, but to set her free and give her a second chance at life. Afterall she only did her job and was forced into it by false pretenses!!! Sad to see the bunker back to Standby mode and I really hope it won’t completely break down before the end but it was the right thing to do to let her go. And which ever forest gets her as a guardian probably needs it badly in nowadays world!
I also loved the fact that everything is “back to normal” now because it makes everything the Winchesters have and will accomplish that much more impressive! They don’t need no stinking Wood Nymph to save the world! They are enough.
I’m also glad that Jack and Dean had a talk and especially glad that they did NOT completely solved the tension yet!!! Killing Mary was a BIG deal especially to Dean and I am happy that they allow that to breath and run its course. Making the cake at the end felt like another nice STEP to signal forgiveness but not a clean slate yet.
I wish they would find a better way to show Jack dealing with having his soul back than to just mope alone and fixate on killing Mary as his only sin?! But it didn’t bother me enough in this episode to make the rest less fun for me.
To me it was a great “welcome back” episode, but I wonder if it would have seemed out of place it right after the Galaxy Brain if the season would have just run on its regular schedule sans pandemic?
Still as funny episodes go, I very much enjoyed this one.
PNP
